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Selling rules: Your suggestions.

Pid_16V

Admin (Uncle Al)
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Nov 20, 2006
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Rules for selling have been part of the forum from the beginning and are constantly under review , see updated rules notice and announcement. I would hope that all members have read this and have been aware of the rules. If anybody has a constructive comment or can suggest a way of pleasing everybody all of the time, then do feel free to post in the relevant section.
We would much rather prefer a solution than constant bickering.

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Mako

Club Member
Feb 6, 2011
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Milton Keynes
If I may venture an opinion in this particular case, I would say that since Cougar1946 is;

a) A long-standing owner,
2) Fully paid up,
iii) Has been a paid member for long enough that it's clear he didn't join us as a budget version of AutoTrader,

...I think that he stands on his own merits, low post-count or not. With the above facts in mind, it seems a bit unfair to deny him just because he's not an incorrigable motor-mouth like me.

I realise that this would set a precedent; the mods would be in the uncomfortable position of judging people on their merits and that can lead to a popularity contest, (though in my experience, you guys are better than that).

So I propose that we remove the postcount limit (or drop it to something arbitrarily low, like 10 posts), retain the membership requirement, and stipulate that they must have been a member for X months.
 

Everton

Club Member
Oct 10, 2009
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Here's how I think it should work:

Register but don't subscribe - "Visitor"
Subscribe for a day/week/month - "Guest" (and return to "Visitor" once it expires)
Take a out a year's subscription - "Member"
1yr Membership expires - "Ex-Member"

Visitors only have access to the public areas
Guests have access to the subscriber sections but cannot add for sale posts
Members have full access (obviously!)
Ex-Members can only access the public areas but can also add for sale posts

I've seen other clubs work this way and it works well. Essentially, you will have had to pay out at least £18 (one year's subscription) in order to post for sale ads. That way, it's fair on ex members but still prevents all and sundry from adding for sale posts.

Make sense? ;)
 

V6SINGH

Official UKCougar Stuntman
Jul 29, 2005
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Agree with John's system. If you've been a member at any point, you should be able to sell. Bit pointless having an OC if people are going to sell their niche market products elsewhere. The For Sale is arguably dominated by select ads and quite clearly, that stuff is of no interest or not selling for other reasons but is continually in new posts as its bumped, continually. Allowing members and ex members to sell their stuff might bring back some variety and maybe even unearth some rarer stuff Ultimately, the future of an OC lies in their being cars for members to buy and be interested in. If people that have the cars and associated parts/goodies to sell, but are being sent elsewhere, the OC has a very short lifespan.
 

D1CKL

Club Member
Mar 16, 2009
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I agree with John and Kully. If someone has been a member in the past they should be able to sell their car and give current members first choice. There are a few members on the forum who have a relatively low post count, but, that doesn't mean they are not interested in the day to day events of the club. I have been a subscribed member for almost five years and my post count is under 2000, unlike some people who have been on the forum for a few months and have post counts that exceed mine. Some people are quiet until they have something constructive to add.
 

allford

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I've been a member for a year and paid since Jan or Feb, I visit the forum a couple of times a day however I am excluded from selling as I have not reached the 30 post rule. I think it would be fair for paid members to be exempt from the posting rule however all the other rules would still apply.
Just my humble opinion

Rob
 

poose

Club Member
Jun 19, 2012
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Haydock
Have to agree if you are a paid up member you should be able to post in the for sale section regardless of post count.
 

telboy

Well-known user
Mar 17, 2013
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bozeat
I still note cougar1947 post to sell his ford Scorpio has not been re-stated, this member was one of the founding members of the Cougar forum and was at the very first ever meeting and has been at a number of cougar shows to include last years FORD FAIR and would of been at this year had it not been for health issues so if this type of member has his thread removed and may I add it was just taken down without and contact by one of the Admin team what hope for the club.

I think the post count now having to be 30 does not work and if somebody pays to join should get instant access to all the forum offers but not unless the have paid simple, and anybody that has been on here for say 2 years should be allowed to post items for sale even if not a paid up as its a benefit to us the members as its usually a top car or rare to find bits and if its turns out to be Bills bent motors block and remove the thread which as shown above is simple to do by the admin team.
 

V6SINGH

Official UKCougar Stuntman
Jul 29, 2005
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Telboy makes a superb point! There's some very fundamental basics addressed in that too that without immediate attention, will see this club fizzle out in to nothing. If it's not already headed that way already...
 

Mako

Club Member
Feb 6, 2011
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Milton Keynes
Telboy makes a superb point! There's some very fundamental basics addressed in that too that without immediate attention, will see this club fizzle out in to nothing. If it's not already headed that way already...

I understand the rationale behind the original rules, but I tend to agree with you. The fly-by-nights and sheds should be easy to spot now, and given that our community is so small these days, we need to make sure we're not appearing hostile to genuine people, whatever their "status" in the forums.

We simply can't afford it.

My loyalty to this club - or rather, the people who make it what it is - is total and absolute. To see it die and only have a presence on Facebook would be catastrophic. So we need flexibility, and we need to adapt to what the car itself is becoming; an automotive curiosity.

Should we really be denying a member that wants to sell their car here, knowing that it's going to someone who is passionate about it and will keep it alive?

- - - Updated - - -

One more thing - the Rover Coupe Owner's Club differentiates between people selling cars, (which they would like to have in the club of course) and people just selling parts, who might possibly be breakers, chancers, profiteers or motor factors in disguise.

Just something else to consider.
 

V6SINGH

Official UKCougar Stuntman
Jul 29, 2005
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One more thing - the Rover Coupe Owner's Club differentiates between people selling cars, (which they would like to have in the club of course) and people just selling parts, who might possibly be breakers, chancers, profiteers or motor factors in disguise.

Just something else to consider.

Another outstanding point! One that with the correct application could rejuvenate the clubs For Sale section. Perhaps inspire new management of non vehicle ads and more importantly, keep the good cars in the club hopefully.
 

dogsbody

Honorary Member
Club Member
Feb 29, 2008
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Changes have been made to the selling rules.
Ex subscribers can now contact Admin for temporary access to the classified section.
Post count requirment has been dropped to 10.

We are currently discussing other options.
 

telboy

Well-known user
Mar 17, 2013
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bozeat
I don't think the club will fizzle out and I realize your comment is tough in cheek or I hope it is, but people care about this forum I know I do, its a great resource and people on here on the whole would do anything for a fellow cougar owner but there has been many good ideas and comments posted up over the last few days but the same point still remains and my earlier post about cougar1947 highlights this problem the admin team who do a great job I am not having a go at anybody but they have to use a bit common sense over rules and think before they act because acting without thought does hack people off and removing cols post trying to sell his Ford Scorpio I thought was very harsh as this is a great car he wanted to offer the forum members of which a couple had already asked about it so WHY was his post taken down because his count was only Nine please.

But moving forward I think the changes made should work well and a ex-member just letting the Admin team know they are selling a car or parts is a good idea we just now need to work on the club to get new owners who seem to come on here say hello and disappear stay and get involved. When I first joined it would of been nice to get a pair of Alans club stickers to put in my car I had a buy a pair just an idea two fold really anybody seeing a cougar knows were to go to find more information.
 

Mako

Club Member
Feb 6, 2011
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Milton Keynes
I don't think the club will fizzle out and I realize your comment is tough in cheek or I hope it is, but people care about this forum I know I do, its a great resource and people on here on the whole would do anything for a fellow cougar owner...

I won't have a Cougar for life, I suspect. I'll either run out of money to keep one on the road, or I'll run out of mobility to actually get in one. Nothing's certain of course. Could be that I've got Tiger when the rest of the world is driving electric cars in 2030 and I'm distilling fuel in my shed.

But like you, I do care very deeply about this club. More importantly I care about the people who make it. Things get quiet here from time to time - we do get gaps in posting - but this forum won't fizzle until the last member leaves and the mods turn out the lights.

At which point there will be an argument on Facebook about where the gazebo should end up, but still.
 

shirtyzeus

Club Member
Aug 29, 2013
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I won't have a Cougar for life, I suspect. I'll either run out of money to keep one on the road, or I'll run out of mobility to actually get in one. Nothing's certain of course. Could be that I've got Tiger when the rest of the world is driving electric cars in 2030 and I'm distilling fuel in my shed.

But like you, I do care very deeply about this club. More importantly I care about the people who make it. Things get quiet here from time to time - we do get gaps in posting - but this forum won't fizzle until the last member leaves and the mods turn out the lights.

At which point there will be an argument on Facebook about where the gazebo should end up, but still.

im sure we could find a way to stick an electric motor in it...or maybe grow your own fuel in that big garden of yours:LOL:
and i somehow doubt by 2030 you'll be the only cougar owner trying to get it to run on white spirit.
in fact i hope we'll still be going to shows where people will stop and look saying look at that ive not seen one in years they used to have six pistons! just like we do now when we see a rover v8 or a mk1 escort.
as for your mobility i could always lend you that big jack so you get up into it rather that down in it..or maybe rig one of those bath hoist thingys i see them use in the care homes to the roof.
im sorry chris..seriosly tiger will last as long as you love her and want to keep her and last time i was with you you showed no signs of getting fed up with her.

as for the club i will all ways be a paid up member so long as it supports the cougar.