Bad Influences....
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Cheers Tony.
It's pretty spotless. The only thing I don't like is that bonnet leaper so that might go at some point. Adamesh.co.uk has the full Jag Sport Collection bodykit the last one had the skirts and rear valence of for £700. The dealer here quoted me something like £300 just for the front valence. If I can save up enough for the kit I'll get the leaper removed and the bonnet resprayed at the same time the kit is painted.
Even the alloys are in good nick. One of them has the tiniest kerb mark right on the very rim so you can only see it if looking at the wheel close up and at an angle, but it's otherwise unmarked. It's even still got 4 Pirelli P-Zeros on it.
It'll just be nice to get a nice car to go to work in. Gill hated the white Rover and wouldn't touch it after driving it last year. She'd always shotgun the black Jag leaving me with the naff cars for work. Pffft!
It's pretty spotless. The only thing I don't like is that bonnet leaper so that might go at some point. Adamesh.co.uk has the full Jag Sport Collection bodykit the last one had the skirts and rear valence of for £700. The dealer here quoted me something like £300 just for the front valence. If I can save up enough for the kit I'll get the leaper removed and the bonnet resprayed at the same time the kit is painted.
Even the alloys are in good nick. One of them has the tiniest kerb mark right on the very rim so you can only see it if looking at the wheel close up and at an angle, but it's otherwise unmarked. It's even still got 4 Pirelli P-Zeros on it.
It'll just be nice to get a nice car to go to work in. Gill hated the white Rover and wouldn't touch it after driving it last year. She'd always shotgun the black Jag leaving me with the naff cars for work. Pffft!
Are you sure you won't get a little bored Jamie?. Or does this mean aircraft production may be increasing!.
Exactly Mark! 
I've been a bit frustrated recently because I seem to get nowhere with my hobbies now my daughter takes up so much time. I don't grudge the time to my little girl at all, but it's prompted a good think about what I want to be doing with what free time I do have and unfortunately (for the Rover) hitting 11 year old Rovers with hammers doesn't score too highly on the list, so I'm going to be focusing on my finishing my aeroplane and my PPL.
I keep finding myself staring skywards on nice days and thinking "this would be a cracking day to go flying", but it's hard when the plane looks like a boat and the VW engine is still sat on blocks in the corner of the garage waiting to be rebuilt.
I enjoy modelling and cars, but there's only so many hours in the day!
I've been a bit frustrated recently because I seem to get nowhere with my hobbies now my daughter takes up so much time. I don't grudge the time to my little girl at all, but it's prompted a good think about what I want to be doing with what free time I do have and unfortunately (for the Rover) hitting 11 year old Rovers with hammers doesn't score too highly on the list, so I'm going to be focusing on my finishing my aeroplane and my PPL.
I keep finding myself staring skywards on nice days and thinking "this would be a cracking day to go flying", but it's hard when the plane looks like a boat and the VW engine is still sat on blocks in the corner of the garage waiting to be rebuilt.
I enjoy modelling and cars, but there's only so many hours in the day!
Perhaps a trip to your end of the world for a few days might help with the plane ;-) maybe next spring when my bikes back on the road, always fancied having a bash at some of the roads up there hehe
Hold on to your dreams Jamie, they will come true in the end....(end of time if my situation has anything to go on couldn't even afford to buy a Cougar at the mo....good job i've already got one then) looks a decent motor from what I could see (will have to go back and look at it again) I guess thats why you asked about AWD at the rolling road day.
Good idea Tony, the hills should be alive with the sound of music....coming from the twin tail-pipes of a fast car ...or bike
couldn't even afford to buy a Cougar at the mo....good job i've already got one then) looks a decent motor from what I could see (will have to go back and look at it again) I guess thats why you asked about AWD at the rolling road day.Good idea Tony, the hills should be alive with the sound of music....coming from the twin tail-pipes of a fast car ...or bike
You'll be most welcome up here Tony!
Thanks Matt, and yes, that was the reason behind the AWD question
Thanks Matt, and yes, that was the reason behind the AWD question
Hi mate, and thanks for the vote of approval
I'd have a good think about the petrol versus diesel though. We're getting a solid 29mpg on average in this one and that's not being particularly gentle. The refinement of the V6 plays a big part in the overall feel of the car, as does the much better handling the rear bias AWD system it has. Coupled in with the fact that the V6 is a proven engine with timing chains and a good dose of power if you want it, and that most of the ongoing problems are with diesel engined ones chewing up turbochargers, committing suicide with block diesel particulate filters, needing oil changes every few thousand miles because of active-regeneration cycles of the particulate filters, common rail injection problems and timing belts, I really don't think the V6 will cost you much more to run all-in and it's a much nicer car all round.
Unless you genuinely are driving scores of miles each day of course… Be warned though that the diesels rarely match their quoted average MPG figures because of that active-regen DPF nonsense.
You see, the way it works (on most DPF equipped cars) is that the filter catches all the soot in the exhaust to make the emissions cleaner for tax band ratings. Obviously, diesels make tonnes of smoke normally, so the filter will clog up fairly quick. The idea is that the exhaust gas temperatures will incinerate the particles and clean the filter, but in reality (and particularly the 2.2 diesels with 6 speed gearbox) even when cruising at motorway speeds the exhaust gases from the diesel engine are too cold to incinerate the particles. It's when this "passive regen" fails to achieve anything that "active regen" kicks in, controlled by the car's ECUs. The active regen aims to raise the exhaust gas temperature to over 500deg C by opening the turbo wastegate fully to completely bypass the turbo (which absorbs too much heat), and then it throttles the air down, shuts off the EGR (which lowers temperatures) and then starts squirting in bucket loads of diesel late in the power stroke, so that it's still burning as it goes down the exhaust. When it does this, some diesel always bleeds down the cylinder bores and dilutes the engine oil in the sump, meaning that you need oil changes every few thousand miles. The bigger Jags have a warning message on the dash when the sump oil volume is more than 7% diesel fuel, and requires an oil change.
So, if you drive a modern diesel economically (which is why you bought it), it'll never achieve passive regeneration, and whenever active regen kicks in you're committed to driving for another 20mins, with your MPG through the floor as it dumps loads of fuel in to incinerate the filter in the exhaust, and meanwhile fills your sump up with diesel - so although the book might say it'll do 50mpg combined, you'll never achieve that over extended ownership because you'll have to pay for the fuel used in active regen and the testers don't.
Makes a nice simple petrol V6 with AWD sound quite appealing doesn't it?
I'd have a good think about the petrol versus diesel though. We're getting a solid 29mpg on average in this one and that's not being particularly gentle. The refinement of the V6 plays a big part in the overall feel of the car, as does the much better handling the rear bias AWD system it has. Coupled in with the fact that the V6 is a proven engine with timing chains and a good dose of power if you want it, and that most of the ongoing problems are with diesel engined ones chewing up turbochargers, committing suicide with block diesel particulate filters, needing oil changes every few thousand miles because of active-regeneration cycles of the particulate filters, common rail injection problems and timing belts, I really don't think the V6 will cost you much more to run all-in and it's a much nicer car all round.
Unless you genuinely are driving scores of miles each day of course… Be warned though that the diesels rarely match their quoted average MPG figures because of that active-regen DPF nonsense.
You see, the way it works (on most DPF equipped cars) is that the filter catches all the soot in the exhaust to make the emissions cleaner for tax band ratings. Obviously, diesels make tonnes of smoke normally, so the filter will clog up fairly quick. The idea is that the exhaust gas temperatures will incinerate the particles and clean the filter, but in reality (and particularly the 2.2 diesels with 6 speed gearbox) even when cruising at motorway speeds the exhaust gases from the diesel engine are too cold to incinerate the particles. It's when this "passive regen" fails to achieve anything that "active regen" kicks in, controlled by the car's ECUs. The active regen aims to raise the exhaust gas temperature to over 500deg C by opening the turbo wastegate fully to completely bypass the turbo (which absorbs too much heat), and then it throttles the air down, shuts off the EGR (which lowers temperatures) and then starts squirting in bucket loads of diesel late in the power stroke, so that it's still burning as it goes down the exhaust. When it does this, some diesel always bleeds down the cylinder bores and dilutes the engine oil in the sump, meaning that you need oil changes every few thousand miles. The bigger Jags have a warning message on the dash when the sump oil volume is more than 7% diesel fuel, and requires an oil change.
So, if you drive a modern diesel economically (which is why you bought it), it'll never achieve passive regeneration, and whenever active regen kicks in you're committed to driving for another 20mins, with your MPG through the floor as it dumps loads of fuel in to incinerate the filter in the exhaust, and meanwhile fills your sump up with diesel - so although the book might say it'll do 50mpg combined, you'll never achieve that over extended ownership because you'll have to pay for the fuel used in active regen and the testers don't.
Makes a nice simple petrol V6 with AWD sound quite appealing doesn't it?
I suppose there's no way of disabling/turning off the active regen feature and just replacing the DPF every so often?
Afraid not, and doubt it would save any money overall any way. Pretty expensive things they are...
Ok, I hear what you are saying Jamie, however, I'm currently getting 47mpg around town (back and forth to work each day) in my Mondy TDDi and I do about 130 miles a week. When I was running my Coug to work every day I was getting about 26mpg and that was careful driving. I will take on board what you have said, as if in the future I don't manage to get a Jag X-Type, I was thinking about going for the Mondeo ST155 2.2 Turbo Diesel, which I believe is the same/similar lump that's in the Jag?
It is indeed
Just worked out that my commute is 17 miles each way, so a total of 170 miles per week. Since my commute involves a bit of rush-hour driving in the city, I don't get as much economy as I might, so need to fill up just over once every 2 weeks. The S-Type being bigger, heavier, automatic and me generally being even less patient manages around 24mpg according to the computer and I fill up around once a week with that. Both have a 60litre tank
Keep in mind that these engines although sharing the Ford bottom end benefit from technology which is a decade younger for the cylinder heads, inlet manifolds and fueling. They're a good bit more efficient than the Cougar engine thanks to that. They're not as good as the latest BMW engines, granted, but they do produce more grunt for less petrol than the older generation did.
It's worth some thought anyway, that's all I'm saying
Just worked out that my commute is 17 miles each way, so a total of 170 miles per week. Since my commute involves a bit of rush-hour driving in the city, I don't get as much economy as I might, so need to fill up just over once every 2 weeks. The S-Type being bigger, heavier, automatic and me generally being even less patient manages around 24mpg according to the computer and I fill up around once a week with that. Both have a 60litre tank
Keep in mind that these engines although sharing the Ford bottom end benefit from technology which is a decade younger for the cylinder heads, inlet manifolds and fueling. They're a good bit more efficient than the Cougar engine thanks to that. They're not as good as the latest BMW engines, granted, but they do produce more grunt for less petrol than the older generation did.
It's worth some thought anyway, that's all I'm saying