Couple of questions from a newbie

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phorbiuz

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Hi all again.

Leading on from my intro thread for my '99 V6 a couple of weeks back I have a couple of things to ask if that's OK?

First, wing mirrors. Do they fold in? It looks as though they should, but they don't move. It may be they've not been folded in that long that they're seized but I don't want to force something in case there's more to it. The storage space I have for it is used to having a Capri there and a Cougar is bigger so I'd like to get it as close to the wall as possible.

Second, key fob. Can anyone point me in the right direction for programming a spare key/fob to the car if I buy one off the bay?

Thanks again.

Dave.
 
The only conclusion I could come to is it's a yank car. They have big parking spaces and garages so no need for folding mirrors for a car that's pretty small over there.
 
Rickysmith189 said:
Thats always a weird one for me.... why??? Every car I have owned have folded... what was different about the cougar??
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American. Huge roads.

I've had loads of cars and none of mine has ever had mirrors that do more than give way if knocked. The Cougar has mirrors that separate from the mount whilst remaining attached by springs, pretty standard for all Ford door mirrors prior to electric folding (US 1989-1997 Ford Thunderbird/Mercury Cougar door mirrors are immovable).

Also the Cougar door mirrors having streamlined housings would not benefit much from being folded.
 
nvingo said:
The Cougar has mirrors that separate from the mount whilst remaining attached by springs,
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I discovered this on the M1 during rush-hour once. Someone had knocked my driver's side mirror enough that the retaining clip was just barely hanging on. Moments later, the mirror made a failed bid for freedom.

If you've never had to reattach a Cougar door mirror at 50MPH before... I don't recommend it.

:edit: Wait - isn't the key programming sequence in the owner's manual?
 
Mako said:
:edit: Wait - isn't the key programming sequence in the owner's manual?
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It is for the remote central locking but not for the immobiliser/starting procedure for which you need two keys already linked to the car in order to add another key.
 
Clarification on keys

Hello again everyone.

Leading on from a previous question about getting a spare key can someone advise please?

The car only had one key. A standard key with the red top on it. I believe this is some sort of master key.

First, should a '99 Cougar have a 3 button remote fob for lock/unlock/boot?

I ask as I've bought one, followed a process on YouTube to program it, and it now works in the ignition to start the car, but none of the remote fob buttons work.

Thanks.
 
phorbiuz said:
The car only had one key. A standard key with the red top on it. I believe this is some sort of master key.
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Not quite, the system used in Cougar is PATS 2, there is no master key you simply need two keys to be able to program a third*

phorbiuz said:
First, should a '99 Cougar have a 3 button remote fob for lock/unlock/boot?
Thanks.
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yes they all came with one when new

phorbiuz said:
I ask as I've bought one, followed a process on YouTube to program it, and it now works in the ignition to start the car, but none of the remote fob buttons work.
Thanks.
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There's a different procedure to program the remote buttone, it sounds like what you've done is programmed the chip to disarm the immobiliser....to enable the uinlocking follow this:


  • Insert key 1 - turn the ignition to position 2 quickly four times, the red LED on the dash (left of the heated screen buttons) should stay lit, you're now in learning mode.
  • Press any button on the new fob, the LED should flash once
  • Wait for LED to start flashing again (learning mode exited)
  • Test

*This is interesting, you should need two keys to be able to program a third but it sounds like you've managed to program a second key from just one non-remote key. Can you link to the YouTube vid you used please? I am in the same boat with only one non-remote key and every time I try to program a second the immobiliser locks me out :(

Thanks
 
Thanks for replying.

YouTube video I followed is this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hjw1QgZ6Do

The biggest difference between what I get and the video is that there's no audible beep, just the LED indication. I spoke to a mate with a Mondeo and he said on his it's the 4 turns, then within 10 seconds insert the new key and turn to position 2. I've done both of these to get where I am.

Dave.
 
ok I'm really confused now.

your vid and what I described...

Insert key 1 - turn the ignition to position 2 quickly four times, the red LED on the dash (left of the heated screen buttons) should stay lit, you're now in learning mode.

  • Press any button on the new fob, the LED should flash once
  • Wait for LED to start flashing again (learning mode exited)
  • Test
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...are the same thing, it's the procedure for programming the remote unlock function, this is completely separate from the immobiliser.

So the question is....if you only had one key to start with, how on earth have you manged to buy a second key and have it start the car?

Your first post says you were going to grab a key from eBay, is this iwhat you did? Or have you had the one you had cloned?

If you've followed those instructions to program your remote fob and it's not working, and a second key is magically working without having two others, you seem to have some weirdness going on for sure.
 
Yep, just bought an eBay key for a Cougar.

I've just been and done it again so here's some more precise info....

If I do the 4 on/off, the LED comes on, leaving the original red top key in, and pressing any fob button nothing happens. If I wait for it to leave the learn mode my original red top key still works, but the new one does nothing except turn the ignition on. It doesn't crank the engine so I suspect it's not programmed for the immobiliser.

If I do the 4 on/off, the LED comes on, replace the original red top key with the new one, turn the ignition on, leave the learn mode, this new key will now crank the engine as well as the original red top key, but still nothing from the fob buttons.

Why do I always buy the motors the defy the rules! :)
 
ok that clears that up :)

first thing to relaise is there are TWO procedures, one for the immoniliser, one for the unlocking.

Immobiliser:
You need two keys to program a third. You only have one so you're at a dead end here and your new key will not work.
Your only options are cloning or perhaps giving your local main stealer some ££££

Unlocking:
The sequence above will allow you do do this but you'll need to use a mix of the old and new key

Use the old one in the ignition do the '4 times cycle' leave it in the ignition
press a button on new unprogrammed key
remove old key (I can't remember if you need to wait for learning mode to exit first (LED will flash))
test new key

Bear in mind that without resolving the immobiliser issue you are only ever going to be able to use this key to unlock, not start the car
 
spjmorris said:
Immobiliser:
Your only options are cloning or perhaps giving your local main stealer some ££££
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I just want to make something blatently clear about this bit.

Cloning - You go to a locksmith who cuts you a new key and clones the transponder that the immoboliser reads (the little glass bulb type thing inside the key plastic).
This is a clone - both keys have the same codes. If you insert the original key into your ingnition, remove and then insert the clone, the immobiliser just thinks you've removed and reinsterted the same key.
Therefore you can't go into programming mode for a third key.

giving your local main stealer some ££££ - They will cut and program you a second key with unique codes. The imobiliser will read both keys as being different. Some auto electricians with the correct software can also do this for less money than a main stealer.

spjmorris said:
Unlocking:
The sequence above will allow you do do this but you'll need to use a mix of the old and new key
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You're not quite right with this one Steve. When you go into fob remote locking program mode, the car forgets all previously programmed fobs and then learns all the fobs you use for the new program. So the only requirement is that you press all the fobs that you want the car to accept - (old and new, or just new).
 
Very vaild point regarding cloning and future key coding!

spjmorris said:
Unlocking:
The sequence above will allow you do do this but you'll need to use a mix of the old and new key
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FlamencoAssassin said:
You're not quite right with this one Steve. When you go into fob remote locking program mode, the car forgets all previously programmed fobs and then learns all the fobs you use for the new program. So the only requirement is that you press all the fobs that you want the car to accept - (old and new, or just new).
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yes you're correct, although the OP ony has a non-remote key so the part about pressing a button on all keys is moot here, but yes if you have more than one remote key you need to press them all :)
 
Thanks again for the input peeps.

If I've read this right, what I've done is clone the code from the original red top key onto the 3 button key, hence it starting the car but not allowing the remote fob buttons to work.

I think it might be better if I get an auto electrician to sort it properly.

Dave.
 
This is my understanding;
Each 'original Ford' key has a glass encased transponder. This is the bit that enables the ECU, ie.it unlocks the imobiliser. Every 'original Ford' transponder has a different fixed code. The sequence to add an 'original Ford' key to the imobiliser simply allows the ECU to run the engine when that new transponder code is present.

Each 'original Ford' remote key has a circuit with a unique identity, which is broadcast along with a function code for each button; lock, unlock and boot release. The procedure sets the central locking module to respond to all (up to the maximum number allowed) 'original Ford' fobs activated during programming, and ignore any previously programmed 'original Ford' fobs not present.

The transponders and fobs don't need to be matched pairs, but they do need to be correct type for the target vehicle.

A cloned transponder or a cloned fob will have the same identity is that from which it was cloned, and does not need to be added to the vehicle, but it cannot be used along with with that it was cloned from to verify presence of two 'original Ford' keys, the vehicle will believe only one key is present.
 
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