Green Injectors query.

Chrisd346

Chrisd346

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Apr 2, 2013
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I have a set of these in the shed. Not really sure that i will ever use them so just wondering if there is much value in them? Or are they worth keeping and fitting before a remap. I know the standard injectors are good for as much power as you can get from the engine before supercharging etc.

Thanks again.
 
I looked into this before I got a remap and got advised no the standard injectors are good up to200bhp the only reason to do the injectors is unless you go all the way replace cams etc
 
The only benefit you'll get from uprated injectors is an increased flow rate, providing the 'standard' injectors are inside tolerance for the power you'll be after then they'll be fine.

Personally I'd move them on unless you're going for huge power increases, if you've got no other mods I'd think twice about a remap to be honest, you could spend a lot and get little on a naturally aspirated petrol engine. I know there are loads of headline figures of +x-BHP but on an aged engine with no other modifications I'd be dubious.

A NA petrol map has essentially two variables, ignition curve and injector firing time.... The factory ones won't be far off the maximum permissible without either causing fuelling issues or ignition faults.

That's not to say power/torque/drivability can't be improved, but definitely get the 'basic' mechanical modifications done first!
 
Thank you both for your advice!

I am only going to be doing the tried and tested mods really. Already have ST200 UIM, TB and airbox. Will be adding a k&n panel filter, ST200 LIM, decat manifolds, main decat and stainless exhaust system. Those mods don't warrant the use of the green injectors then, but do they call for a remap in your opinion?

Thanks again.
 
Chrisd346 said:
Thank you both for your advice!

I am only going to be doing the tried and tested mods really. Already have ST200 UIM, TB and airbox. Will be adding a k&n panel filter, ST200 LIM, decat manifolds, main decat and stainless exhaust system. Those mods don't warrant the use of the green injectors then, but do they call for a remap in your opinion?

Thanks again.
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Hmm.. Sounds like you're coming from the right place!

The majority of maps that'll be done on these engines will be a generic map purchased, then they might drive the car and log it and compensate slightly for any variables that don't fit perfectly within the 'off the shelf map.' This is like buying a suit in M&S and taking it to a tailor and having the sleeves rolled up 1/4" inch.

The alternative is 'Live Mapping' which is performed on a dynograph by a very skilled operator who'll directly code the hex to extract exactly what you're after.... This, as I'm sure you'll appreciate is highly skilled and expensive.... Rarely (if ever) I guess done on NA petrol engines, don't pay for this on this vehicle. This is having a suit made by a tailor.

If I was in your position (and remember I only 'dabble' in the most basic sense in remapping/coding) I'd go ahead but make sure all your modifications are in place, car serviced and about as good as it'll get before you go for the mapping.

I'd say, and I've not tried it in your situation, that you'll get gains certainly, night and day difference? That depends on your own perception but I'd wager you won't notice a vast difference.

If you're playing the numbers game though, it needs to be done.
 
benham said:
Hmm.. Sounds like you're coming from the right place!

The majority of maps that'll be done on these engines will be a generic map purchased, then they might drive the car and log it and compensate slightly for any variables that don't fit perfectly within the 'off the shelf map.' This is like buying a suit in M&S and taking it to a tailor and having the sleeves rolled up 1/4" inch.

The alternative is 'Live Mapping' which is performed on a dynograph by a very skilled operator who'll directly code the hex to extract exactly what you're after.... This, as I'm sure you'll appreciate is highly skilled and expensive.... Rarely (if ever) I guess done on NA petrol engines, don't pay for this on this vehicle. This is having a suit made by a tailor.

If I was in your position (and remember I only 'dabble' in the most basic sense in remapping/coding) I'd go ahead but make sure all your modifications are in place, car serviced and about as good as it'll get before you go for the mapping.

I'd say, and I've not tried it in your situation, that you'll get gains certainly, night and day difference? That depends on your own perception but I'd wager you won't notice a vast difference.

If you're playing the numbers game though, it needs to be done.
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Thanks for that mate, fantastic advice and insight! I will most likely get the remap done but only after all mods are complete. I've heard it ties everything together nicely. Time will tell!
 
Remap defiantly makes a difference on mine any way like your self iv got the larger lim st200 Im and throttle body decated Toyo sport headers full stainless exhaust system sounded great then I got remap done and I noticed the biggest diffrence
 
If you look at sig he is running a One off UIM built by localloon for localloon from stainless steel.
 
I read the most to be gained tops is 14 bhp from a remap on a standard v6 running well?
I would be well buzzing if I had one done and got 20 horses for my money!

Sorry to hijack thread but a question, a tuning company I was looking at said they remove or block off the egr free of charge with the remap and also remove the ford speed limiter software free of charge also..
Sounds like advertisement bs? Are these things applicable on a ford cougar? And do they help the cat go faster/perform better?
Dangers?
Cheers.
 
So the above is bs then?^^
Thought it was , I know certain cars are limited if they can do 180 and brought back to like 150 or what ever like a beema , but I didn't expect it with a cougar or else I'm sure I would have read about it in the forums...
 
The gear ratios only allow it to hit an indicated 145MPH. I have experienced this several times on German autobahns, once you get to this speed you feel a prounounced 'bounce' and the speed drops 5 MPH or so before climbing back up.
 
I remember you saying relliot ,but didn't you also say that it wasn't near the redline and isn't that a representation of how much more is left in the engine range?

Suppose it is irrelevant as the speed limit is 70 , but tell me , does a egr block off, affect the car? And is it even applicable? and does a speed limit program actually exist in a cougars software engine managment?
 
I've no idea what effect removing/disabling the EGR has on top end, although I know several members of this club have done it. I'm not aware of any speed limiting software (don't think the Cougar is that sophisticated!) but, if the gear ratios won't allow the wheels to physically turn any faster, surely the point is moot?
 
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