Help needed differences between auto boxs and will they fit?

If it's a long code with letters/numbers and a couple of hyphens it's country or market specific (part number). If it's a 7 digit code with just numbers it's a FINIS code which is international.
 
Right today i went to see Si and check the gearbox that was sent, It appears that the gearbox that was sent is exactly the same as the one on my car, Now the problem is the gearbox on Si's car is different..??
Pi'c, this is the gearbox he has to replace his with, Notice the point where his speed sensor goes is blanked off..
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And part number..
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Now this is the gearbox on his car originally, notice that the speed sensor is in the place that's blanked off on the one he has just got to replace this box ..
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With sensor fitted..
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Part number of the one fitted to the car originally..
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Right what we need to know is, what type is already fitted to his car?? and is there a way we can fit the one he got to replace it working around the differences??
We are a little stumped.. o_O
Also i would like to thank Si, for replacing my front Droplinks today, i am glad he did it, i would have had a nightmare as he had to cut one off.. Cheers Si.. (y)
 
See if the VSS for the new box will fit the loom plug and if the loom will stretch that far.
 
Sounds like you need a microcat reference. I don't know if you can search TIS with part numbers.
 
V6SINGH said:
Sounds like you need a microcat reference. I don't know if you can search TIS with part numbers.
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I would not know where to start mate,,? I think the loom on the car has a 2 wire connector to the sensor, and the one on the gearbox that's the same as mine, he bought to replace his broken one has 3 wires..??
What i don't understand is that his gearbox in his car i have never seen on a Cougar before.. ?? I was hoping someone else had..? he was thinking about fitting it anyway, but without the vss it would cause loads of problems, I am assuming that it affects other things apart from the speedo not working??
 
TC, ABS and it drops the ECU into recovery mode.

I'm sure the VSS on mine is on the back of the box and not near the drive shaft as that one above. Will the VSS off the old box not fit the hole on the new box maybe?
 
V6SINGH said:
TC, ABS and it drops the ECU into recovery mode.

I'm sure the VSS on mine is on the back of the box and not near the drive shaft as that one above. Will the VSS off the old box not fit the hole on the new box maybe?
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No i don't think it will, the one on the new box has a drive spindle on it and the broken box on the car does not..??
 
If it helps in any way, Chilton lists for a 99 Cougar :

Green and Red wire to VSS comes from PCM Power Relay, then White and Blue wire goes to Pin 58 on the PCM.

From that I'm gonna guess the W/BL is the signal from the VSS to the PCM and the R/G is the power in.

Might not be any use whatsoever but worth a mention if he needs to cut wires and change the plug or anything. What we may need here is C2 VSS wiring info to cross reference.
 
Not having the spindle might mean its broken. My VSS when it went was down to the original spindles being plastic and later being metal. A very common fault on the Cougar as it was a design fault.
 
V6SINGH said:
If it helps in any way, Chilton lists for a 99 Cougar :

Green and Red wire to VSS comes from PCM Power Relay, then White and Blue wire goes to Pin 58 on the PCM.

From that I'm gonna guess the W/BL is the signal from the VSS to the PCM and the R/G is the power in.

Might not be any use whatsoever but worth a mention if he needs to cut wires and change the plug or anything. What we may need here is C2 VSS wiring info to cross reference.
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Cheers for that Kully, It may help, the strange thing is, the car he has is a 99 and mine is a 99 both with different boxes.. i would have thought they all would be the same from the same year? It would be handy if we can figure out that all he needs to do is cut wires and reconnect the VSS, if only it did not have a different amount or wires on each..
 
V6SINGH said:
Not having the spindle might mean its broken. My VSS when it went was down to the original spindles being plastic and later being metal. A very common fault on the Cougar as it was a design fault.
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No i don't think it's broken, the one from his car is completely different to the one from the new replacement box..
 
Just because they're the same year, doesn't mean they were built at the same time or with the same parts. Could well be that his car was on the line when they ran out of gearboxes and decided to use Contour boxes and looms.
 
V6SINGH said:
Just because they're the same year, doesn't mean they were built at the same time or with the same parts. Could well be that his car was on the line when they ran out of gearboxes and decided to use Contour boxes and looms.
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Which could mean its more difficult to find a box. ��
Thanx Add for popping round and helping out today it's appreciated.
 
More than welcome mate, not that i did a lot.. :geek: it's you who changed my droplinks.. (y)
I still can't find any info on the net about the boxes mate..?
 
Guys i'm pretty sure the slushbox on Dygs greenie has the VSS next to the driveshaft, as Si's does, its possible that Fraud have done their usual trick and swapped boxes mid 99, ala v6 donkey, they are quite good at this!!!! Sounds like the later box has the VSS next to the driveshaft

Thing is, the VSS with spindle, will give a different output as the other is a mag pickup, i know this cos we had to replace one
 
TopCat1127 said:
Guys i'm pretty sure the slushbox on Dygs greenie has the VSS next to the driveshaft, as Si's does, its possible that Fraud have done their usual trick and swapped boxes mid 99, ala v6 donkey, they are quite good at this!!!! Sounds like the later box has the VSS next to the driveshaft

Thing is, the VSS with spindle, will give a different output as the other is a mag pickup, i know this cos we had to replace one
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Cheers Tony, So does that mean the new box is probably not much use then chap? and the only way is to find an exact match for the one in his car?
 
Sounds like it to me but i may be wrong, just depends on the signal from the sensors, if they are the same then just get a vss to go with the box, but as said, one has 2 wires, the other 3, so it sounds like a different system, probly different ECU as well, soz dude
 
No worries, at least we know, There are other options right now as another Cougar may be available locally.. and it will be time for this one to hit the cougar breakers in the sky.. we shall see... :)
 
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