Vehicle tax changes - effective Oct 14
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People with more money than sense maybe?
Example:
You buy a used car, from a previous owner with three months tax on it. That three months is collected by DVLA ie: government?
You take ownership of same car and have to tax it again. Unless you are lucky enough to sell that car on at the point of tax renewal, not only do you as a seller/owner get shafted again, but so does the new owner/buyer.
RIP-OFF!!!
But surely one would get a refund for the remaining months? (which has always been possible)
All this will only make it easier for them to bung the price up unnoticed 
Call it what you like car tax, road tax vehicle excise duty, its still a f****** rip off
They stopped calling it road tax cos of all the complaints about the state of the roads in the country
Call it what you like car tax, road tax vehicle excise duty, its still a f****** rip off
They stopped calling it road tax cos of all the complaints about the state of the roads in the country
I'm probably being dense here, but if you weren't driving said vehicle & it was SORN, why did you have to insure it?
Care to point me at the blurb?
After all, it says here:
https://www.gov.uk/register-sorn-statutory-off-road-notification
"Your vehicle must be taxed and insured unless you surrender your tax disc to make a SORN."
So how does that work then?
After all, it says here:
https://www.gov.uk/register-sorn-statutory-off-road-notification
"Your vehicle must be taxed and insured unless you surrender your tax disc to make a SORN."
So how does that work then?
It appears as if it's changed again. I see there's a new document dated this month saying that SORN vehicles do not require insurance! What a crock!! There was a whole TV as campaign about it for ages in 2012 and last year loads of people had to insure cars that were SORN. Typical bloody DVLA. They've now changed it to "continual insurance enforcement" in so much as if you have a car that is roadworthy, MOT'd and Tax'd, that you keep locked away or only use occasionally. Basically these cars have to have full annual insurance as opposed to temp insurance.
All that means is that the new tax change makes it better for owners of summer toys etc. They only need but tax for the months they want to use the car instead of buying 6 months at a time and only using the car for 2/3 perhaps.
All that means is that the new tax change makes it better for owners of summer toys etc. They only need but tax for the months they want to use the car instead of buying 6 months at a time and only using the car for 2/3 perhaps.
They do like to keep changing their minds don't they?
And FWIW, a while back I looked into lay-up insurance for a motor SORNed & locked in a very sturdy locked place. Best quote was under 20 quid (yes t-w-e-n-t-y) from NFU
And with this new monthly DD idea, it might even be cheaper - bet you need to get the timing right tho.
Uninsured vehicle rules from www.gov.uk:
4. Uninsured vehicles
Rules in England, Wales and Scotland
You must have motor insurance for your vehicle if you use it on roads and in public places.
You do not need to insure your vehicle if it is kept off the road anddeclared as off the road (SORN). This rule is called ‘continuous insurance enforcement’.
If not, you could:
It doesn't matter who is driving the car - if you’re the registered keeper, you could get penalised.
You will also still have to pay for your insurance on top of any fines received.
You can check if your vehicle is insured on askMID.
Motor traders - exceptions
If a vehicle is between registered keepers or registered as ‘in trade’ with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), it is excluded from continuous insurance enforcement.
Vehicles you keep for your own use are not excluded.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles
4. Uninsured vehicles
Rules in England, Wales and Scotland
You must have motor insurance for your vehicle if you use it on roads and in public places.
You do not need to insure your vehicle if it is kept off the road anddeclared as off the road (SORN). This rule is called ‘continuous insurance enforcement’.
If not, you could:
- get a fixed penalty of £100
- have your vehicle wheel-clamped, impounded or destroyed
- face a court prosecution, with a possible maximum fine of £1,000
It doesn't matter who is driving the car - if you’re the registered keeper, you could get penalised.
You will also still have to pay for your insurance on top of any fines received.
You can check if your vehicle is insured on askMID.
Motor traders - exceptions
If a vehicle is between registered keepers or registered as ‘in trade’ with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency (DVLA), it is excluded from continuous insurance enforcement.
Vehicles you keep for your own use are not excluded.
Source: https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-insurance/uninsured-vehicles
Uninsured vehicle rules from Teh Gov said:
Being the point.
If it's locked away off the road & SORNed, then no insurance is required nowadays, yes?
Is this actually how it'll work though, it is a duty so it only has a liability to the registered keeper not the former owner.
I would suggest that the former owner is entitled to a refund of any duty held on that vehicle, are they not?
Correct me if I'm wrong...
The only difference is that the duty is not transferable anymore.... It'll mean you can't buy a "taxed" car anymore.... Similarly you won't have to queue up in a post office anymore, you'll be able to sort it out 24 hours a day, 365 days a year and it'll also greatly streamline the refunds process.
The SORN regs didn't change to my understanding having read the appropriate acts, I think it was misinterpreted en-massé. Car 'taxed' means it requires insurance, there wasn't and never has been a duty to maintain third-party insurance on a car declared SORN and off the public highway.
As said though, I've used 'laid-up' cover before.
Present company excepted, but generally most of this stuff comes 144th hand on a forum then gets endlessly repeated without anybody checking the actual law.
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I don't believe "ANY" of the 60-odd billion £££££'s ever found its way into road maintenance tbh certainly not around these parts and certainly not in the last 10 -15 years...
And this is alegedly the affluent south.. yeah right
On the subject of taxing if we only have to tax our summer toys for a month at a time that'll certainly be better for the bikers amoung us, then i cn use the bike in the summer and tax frosty in the winter.. sorted
The only way that you'll get your tax back is to sorn the car before you sell it because reading the notes on selling you automatically lose any tax remaining. This would have implications regarding the car being taken for a test drive as the possible purchaser wouldn't be able to test drive the vehicle. Another F***** up policy.