Mondeo 4x4 Power Limit

It looks big on the outside, i.e. a bit too big to be agile and fun to drive. Inside though, it feels compact and very poised, ready for any corner you can find. Oh, and despite 'only' having 400bhp, being supercharged it provides torque by the bucket load from the off right up to the redline.
 
Like you advised before Jamie the convertible is supposed to be the better drive too, as it was designed to be a convertible from the ground up not just a coupe with the roof chopped off its stiffer so feels more agile in the bends so i've read.
4 wheel drive V8 coupe ... Oh that will be the Audi S5 sir ;)
 
That's an interesting phrase.

I know it's completely different than the Jags you're talking about, but has anyone here had some experience with the XJS? The V12 engine of course before the facelift.
 
A little - definately a tourer rather than a sports car. It's heavy, softly sprung and extensively bushed. There are loads of mods out there to stiffen the steering rack bushes onto the subframe, reduce power steering assistance etc. As standard it's extremely comfortable and smooth but not that sharp to drive.

The V12 engine is lovely but the pre-HE engines have far better power potential but chronic thirst, whereas the HE engines are better on fuel but have minimal scope to improve power due to the chambered valves. The V12 was designed for DOHC cylinder heads and 48 valves, but production engines ended up OHC heads and 24 valves. They're a bit strangled at around 50bhp/litre which is quite poor.

The 3 speed automatic was reliable but cack. 6 litre models (post 1992, not XJR-S or TWR models) came with 4 speed autos. Pre-HEs also came with a very rare 4 speed manual. There are a few 5 and 6 speed manual conversion kits which improve fuel consumption and performance a lot (but argueably detracts from the car's best purpose as a smooth cruiser).

Electrical connections etc improved a lot under Ford ownership from 1992, before that (i.e. pre facelift) they were a bit ropey - typical of British Leyland. Most of the failures are simply crap plugs which have failed to keep dirt and water out, so simple to fix, but sometimes harder to find which one is causing the problem.

Rust protection wasn't good pre-facelift either, but if it's from a US dry state that's not a major concern.

Overall it's a nice car and a feel-good drive, but it's no sports car and a very different sort of package to the XK8/R models which replaced it.
 
I never imagined it was sporty, but more a comfortable cruiser that just looked cool. As it was intended as a cruiser I imagine there isn't much point trying to crank out a whole lot more power or trying to stiffen it up that much. What made the 3 speed crap? Was the 4 speed any significant amount better than the 3 and could it be mated with the 12 cylinder?

I've mentioned considering this as a second/alternate car to some people and they called its reliability into question. Was it fuel injected from the start or did early models have carbs?
 
The 3 speed was a reliable gearbox, but only having 3 ratios it was never going to make good use of power or fuel. Torque converter lock-up was a fairly distant dream and gearchanges are fairly pedestrian. It works, but most of the engine's efforts are converted into heating up the gearbox oil.
The 4 speed was a newer gearbox and improved performance a fair bit, having 33% more gear ratios to use. Cruise fuel consumption improved too - and on a car that can manage high teens to the gallon crusing at steady speed that matters!
The V12 was originally designed to get Jaguar back into motorsport in the late 1960s. The prototype race engines had a capacity of 4.7 litres and quad cams. With some development they broke the 500bhp barrier. For road use, the bore was increased making the engine very oversquare and resulting in a capacity of 5.3 litre. This made the bottom end more suited for high RPM work, but the heads were simplified to SOHC and 2 valves per cylinder with a flat head and dished pistons. These are quite tunable either in carburreted and early injection forms. Most of the people who race E-Types and XJ-Ss in the UK prefer flat head engines which can take much bigger valves than standard. The injection system was first mass produced system with lambda sensor closed loop feedback - Jaguar were desperate to reduce the fuel consumption in the midst of the 1970s fuel crisis when prices soared.
Later, a new crankshaft was produced stroking the 5.3 litre cylinders up to 6.0 litre capacity, increasing power to 333bhp. These were the ones which got the 4 speed auto.
The Jaguar V12 is immensely strong and hugely tunable, but for megabucks. It's still the engine that Lister races at Le Mans, and it's even powered a full scale replica Spitfire in the late 1980s. Parts are readily available to increase capacity to 8.0 litres, and it's still reliable. It can be tuned to produce over 800bhp in naturally aspirated form if your pockets are deep enough. Mine aren't. Rob Beere and Wolf Racing build race engines and sell them for over £30k each.
I do still fancy a 6.0 litre of my own, but I do think I'd do the manual gearbox conversion. I like autos, but I'm used to modern 6 speed autos now and an old 1970s design churning away like an egg whisk just wouldn't cut the mustard. A good 5 or 6 speed manual will knock well over a second (closer to 2) off the 0-60 time compared to the 3 speed, and a bit less than the 4 speed whilst improving fuel consumption by around 30%.
I probably would renew all the bushes and reduce PAS assistance just to make it as tight as it would have been new, but I wouldn't spend too much effort "improving" beyond that. Rear anti-roll bars were deleted early into production although the attachments remain. These sharpen up handling a lot, so that would probably be my only deviation from "standard" other than perhaps a tasteful set of 17" alloys.
 
Oh, another thing - injected models had short lengths of rubber hose from the fuel rails to the injectors. These perish and split over 20~30odd years, causing fires. They should be renewed. Likewise, many owners have never given the cooling system any maintenance at all. There are lots of horror stories of overheating V12s, but it's entirely down to bad maintenance. A good flush out and renewal of thermostats etc will cure it.

Lastly, the spark plugs on the rear most cylinders are awkward to reach, and many lazy idiots simply don't bother with them. The Jag V12 is still smoother than almost any other engine on the road even if it's not firing on the back cylinders, so it's not always obvious that the previous owner didn't maintain it.

Basically it's a fairly complex car and needs more money to run it than most. If you get one, the only sensible thing to do is to treat it to a really thorough service and new injection hoses etc. It's not the sort of agricultural car that will tolerate neglect.
 
Well you certainly seem like the guy to go to about Jags, lol. It's good to hear that it's not unreliable out of the box, just if neglected. It still sounds like a fun car to drive. I understand how you feel about a standard ATX, but it's still predominant over here so I'm used to it. My Cougar has a slushbox in it, at least for the time being until it croaks.

It seems like a fairly complex piece of machine so thorough maintenance is of course a must. It may be a lot of work, but so is the Cougar so it seems like a good training car before taking on an older Jag.
 
Just to get back to my original query for a bit, does anyone know where I could get my hands on the 4x4 MTX-75 parts? There's a propshaft and rear diff on eBay, but can't find the gearbox itself. Will I have to make a trip over there to rummage through scrap yards? :)
 
It's also worth noting that fitting to the V6 involves a bit more work that fitting to a Zetec.
Mark (charliecd001) is the best person to ask but I think the main issues were;
- fitting the 4x4 gearbox internals into a V6 gearbox casing
- machining some of the engine block off to allow room for the transfer box
- using and modifying Jaguar X-type headers
 
It's also worth noting that fitting to the V6 involves a bit more work that fitting to a Zetec.
Mark (charliecd001) is the best person to ask but I think the main issues were;
- fitting the 4x4 gearbox internals into a V6 gearbox casing
- machining some of the engine block off to allow room for the transfer box
- using and modifying Jaguar X-type headers

Also not possible on a C2 V6 :eek:
 
Well I'm not considering this project because it would be easy, lol. I'm not sure how buying the whole car would help since I can't exactly have it shipped over here and flying over there just to part it out would be majorly expensive too.
 
Shipping the component parts won't cheap either. You'd need the gear/transfer box, props and complete rear suspension including subframe/struts etc. probably a few other bits too.
At least with the whole car you'll know you've got everything you need.

I think the hardest bit will be finding someone who
a) has all the 4x4 components
b) is prepared to ship to the US