Shagmonkey's Cougar

joyrider

Well-known user
Jul 24, 2010
739
145
HULL
Found out today that this is no longer in the hands of Shagmonkey - do we know who has it??

I was also wondering (before I start hunting through threads) is there any details on the work on Shagmonkey's Cat - the bits I've seen (Quaife & SuperCharger) are where I'm hoping to head

Thanks

Alex
 
No, completely different car. The blue supercharged Cougar (known as 'Thundercat') was, as far as I know, sold to someone outside the club a good long while ago. Again to the best of my knowledge, that same person returned the car to standard and sold off all the tasty bits. The Cougar that Paul sold to the Ferrari guys was black and fairly standard.
 
ah!! that's a pity as the few photos I've seen of 'ThunderCat' look blooming marevellous - the 'S' kit looks particularly tasty
 
IMG_1038.jpg
 
That car (or rather practically everyone he paid to work on it) caused Paul levels on turmoil that I don't feel worthy to describe. I think it's fair to say that after tens of thousands, the car was never finished to a level he was happy with and it more or less broke. I'm sure Paul would be happy to tell you all the good and bad point about it. Whilst impressive when it was actually running, it's not a car many people would want to have as their daily driver. It returned around 15mpg on average after the engine work, and the Emerald ECU had no cold running programme so it ran like a bag of nails until it was warmed it. Then it was unable to pass an MOT and had to be detuned a bit. That in itself was another episode Paul had to fight through with the now defunct company who did the engine work. That they're defunct is a good thing, because they also worked on RichB's car and he has his own strong views on them. The bodyshop who built the kit did a decent job of that but made a complete RS of painting the car several times. The company folded too and was reborn. They fitted the same kit to another car and painted that. This time they painted it ok but fitted the kit wonky. The actual owner of the car refused to see it, but anyone with vaguely functioning eyeballs could see one of the wheels wasn't centred in the wheelarch. Oh, the first incarnation of the bodyshop also fitted a kit to Kingroderick's car and resprayed that, but all the paint bubbled and flaked off round everywhere they'd bonded kit to metal.


Tread very carefully friend - all in, you could sum up the efforts of all the vendors involved in Thundercat as a complete clusterf---ornication.
 
Hmmmm!! I certainly won't be using any of those companies (associated or otherwise).

There are a few decent companies in Hull that 'may'be able to carry out the work but I need to do a lot of research beforehand.

The bodykit will probably be one of the last things I source as the only one I truly like is the 'S' and I know very little about that..........

It's gonna be a long road but I am planning to be here for the duration (I've a mate with 350 + bhp Vlovo that I'm keen to teach a lesson to).

Thanks for the info Jamie
 
Paul certainly proved that 348bhp from the Cougar could be done using the 2.5 litre engine. It had new pistons and conrods (memory is hazy here but I think the set of pistons cost £900 and the set of conrods the same), a higher capacity oil pump, and the whole engine was blueprinted. I don't know what injectors were used. The supercharger was a belt driven centrifugal type branded as "Procharger". It used a large intercooler as well. The gearbox was an MTX-75 which had been rebuilt and fitted with a Quaiffe limited slip differential. I can't remember what brakes he used, but I seem to remember him saying he wished he'd just spent a bit more and got Wilwoods instead. The car had the BAT 21mm rear anti roll bar fitted. Engine problems were poor running when cold, very heavy fuel consumption under light load and heavy emissions accordingly (the reason it was wound back to 250bhp for MOT and, I think, because Paul wasn't sure if the engine was really going to last that long cranking out 350bhp).

The bodyshop are, I think, what really hacked him off and ultimately made him throw in the towel, although the engine people (Autocraft SVE) were a bunch of crooks themselves who didn't really know what they were doing but knew how to charge money and at least one point held the car to ransom over a dispute over what Paul (and us) considered he'd already paid for and them feeling like being paid twice for it.

Although it can be done, I personally am a bit conservative when it comes to cars, although I do believe I know enough to speak with some level of knowledge. I don't think the Duratec V6 is a particularly good starting point for a highly tuned forced induction power plant, or at least, not for an individual with very finite resources. There are lots of attributes to engines which make them better at doing different things in different ways. All the vacuum and crankcase pressure relieve/breather apparatus for example, as well as the compression ratio do not lend themselves to being happily married to forced induction. Now I know Noble made the Duratec V6 into a successful turbocharged production engine, but it's not quite as simple as just strapping a pair of turbos on to it. Yes, it can be done, but quite a lot of thought needs to go into how the whole package is going to work. The suck-squeeze-bang-blow bit is the easy part. Just where will you get the vacuum for the brake servo from? Most turbodiesels have vacuum pumps to do this. How are you going to lower the compression ratio from 10.8:1 (efficient for natural aspiration) to nearer 9:1 for forced induction. Lower compression ratios are always undesirable but you've got no choice with forced induction - it'll knock otherwise. You can make up thick copper gaskets to raise the heads up off the cylinder blocks, but these have nasty galvanic corrosion issues when clamped between aluminium engine castings. "No problems" is what the garage taking your money will say - they'll rely on never seeing you again. Give it a year and remove the heads for a look though and you'll find corrosion pitting that any decent engine builder will recommend the heads and/or block are scrapped because of. Assuming you do that, you've then got a compression ratio that's suitable but the squish volume (actual volume of combustion chamber with piston at TDC) which isn't great any more, so you need new, different pistons. Alternative parts aren't exactly easy to come by for the Duratec V6. Not a problem for Noble - they can just machine a few hundred at a time for their own use. Not so good for an individual wanting to build ein engine.

In all honesty - and I don't say this lightly - if you want a turbocharged Cougar then I think the 2.0litre Zetec is a better place to start. It has all the same problems as the V6 but the difference is that there are many more people who have already done it and established dozens of ways of how not to do it. There are many more parts available for it, and it's generally just a cheaper, easier engine to work on. There are only half as many cylinder heads for a start!

If you really want to break new ground then that's one thing. It's not for me though. I'll happily do that professionally with other peoples' money but if you just want to make the car go faster in a fashion which you know is going to work, get a Zetec and blow that instead. I'll even flog you a cheap Rover 620ti to strip for the manifolds you'll need, and could use the Garrett T25 turbo as a cheaper starting point to get the rest of it working before you invest big money in a T3 or similar ;) :LOL:
 
That car (or rather practically everyone he paid to work on it) caused Paul levels on turmoil that I don't feel worthy to describe. I think it's fair to say that after tens of thousands, the car was never finished to a level he was happy with and it more or less broke. I'm sure Paul would be happy to tell you all the good and bad point about it. Whilst impressive when it was actually running, it's not a car many people would want to have as their daily driver. It returned around 15mpg on average after the engine work, and the Emerald ECU had no cold running programme so it ran like a bag of nails until it was warmed it. Then it was unable to pass an MOT and had to be detuned a bit. That in itself was another episode Paul had to fight through with the now defunct company who did the engine work. That they're defunct is a good thing, because they also worked on RichB's car and he has his own strong views on them. The bodyshop who built the kit did a decent job of that but made a complete RS of painting the car several times. The company folded too and was reborn. They fitted the same kit to another car and painted that. This time they painted it ok but fitted the kit wonky. The actual owner of the car refused to see it, but anyone with vaguely functioning eyeballs could see one of the wheels wasn't centred in the wheelarch. Oh, the first incarnation of the bodyshop also fitted a kit to Kingroderick's car and resprayed that, but all the paint bubbled and flaked off round everywhere they'd bonded kit to metal.


Tread very carefully friend - all in, you could sum up the efforts of all the vendors involved in Thundercat as a complete clusterf---ornication.

I had the leather door cards and dash made for Thundercat and they were a copy of the Lamborghini design. They were the dogs danglies. In fact they were the only bits on the car that caused Paul no problems.
 
Noble Motorsport will carry out a twin turbocharger conversion with stand alone ecu if your pockets are deep enough which starts at 320 bhp.

I would imagine they know what they are doing and have spoken to them at length on the subject
 
*boom* you've blown my mind

The idea is for the Cat to become a toy to spend stupid money on and play with.

I'm going to re-read the above and do my research and .... well decide the best way forward, taking baby steps......
 
I don't think the 'S' kit is an option with the company that made them going bust.
One of the guys who worked for them may still have the moulds though but with all the bad blood that went with these kits he probably isn't interested. However he did do a small production run of the 'S' spoilers last year.

Your best bet would be to find one of the three cats that have the kit (easier said than done);
- Shagmonkey's if the shell hasn't been crushed
- KingRoderick's - loads of corrosion on the rear arches and it's a Zetec so ripe for a turbo. Don't know who has this car now.
- CJSnet's with the wonky rear arch. I believe he's emigrated from the UK but before he left he wanted silly money for it (£10K). Don't know if he sold it or put into storage. The base car for this was a C2 ATX.
 
Rodders actually sorted the body work out on his before selling it on. IIRC, it was bought by a lad in Bristol who is a member here but can't remember his username. Think he's in the army actually.
 
Just out of interet, for what reason do you say "If the shell hasn't been crushed" Manos?