Shagmonkey's Cougar

Rodders actually sorted the body work out on his before selling it on.
I know that but I also know that the rust was caused by trimming the metalwork below the arch extensions and the rust showed itself above the arch extensions. AFAIK the arches were not removed for the repair work so it will be interesting to see how well this repair has lasted.
 
From my understanding, on seeing how severe the rust was, the arches were removed and refitted because as per Paul's car, Deluded Vision didn't cut and roll the existing arches to accommodate the wheel spacing and to bring them in line with the S kit.
 
Just out of interet, for what reason do you say "If the shell hasn't been crushed" Manos?
I thought the next owner begun by returning the suspension to standard because it was too low for the farm track he lived down (doesn't hold out much hope for the kit condition).
Then he neglected to maintain it and it broke. I think this resulted in it being stripped.
I could be wrong though.
 
From my understanding, on seeing how severe the rust was, the arches were removed and refitted because as per Paul's car, Deluded Vision didn't cut and roll the existing arches to accommodate the wheel spacing and to bring them in line with the S kit.
If removed then fair enough, there's a good chance of full treatment.
I'd still be insterested to see how well it's weathered a couple of winters.
 
I thought the next owner begun by returning the suspension to standard because it was too low for the farm track he lived down (doesn't hold out much hope for the kit condition).
Then he neglected to maintain it and it broke. I think this resulted in it being stripped.
I could be wrong though.
Wasn't Mr.Wolf was it, he lived on a farm with some horses, well he was definetly an ass thats for sure THX

As for the Noble option, think about it, a Noble M12 (the one with the Duratec V6 fitted) was about £75k brand new, so your guess is as good as mine as to how much was spent on the engine as the bodywork is plastic if i'm not wrong. Then NOBLE themselves moved to the engine from the X-type Jag/ST220 for the subsequent M12 GTO, so that must tell you something about them not wanting to cotinue with the Duratec 2.5

The Noble M10 used the Duratec engine but without a turbo ie N/a
 
What heads do the ST220s use? The block is definately common between the Jag and the Mondeo, but the Jag heads are machined from Mazda designed castings rather than the original Duratec 30 ones. Now the Duratec 30 was available in the Mk3 Mondeo in asthmatic form, producing just over 200bhp, or in Duratec ST form, producing 218bhp. Now I also know the Duratec ST lacked VVT of which Jag used 2 types (2 position in early longitudinal cars, X350 XJ and X200/202 S-Types; continuously variable in transverse and later longitudinal cars (X-Type, XF)).
The ST220 might well be the Mazda/Jaguar heads minus the VVT and with the hydraulic valve lifters, which I think Mazda also retained - Jaguar went for solid lifters, or Direct Acting Mechanical Buckets (DAMBs) as they termed them.

Either way, if you're adament you want a V6 based car, then the Americans were and always have been correct in saying "there's no replacement for displacement". The engine will need to come out and be gutted anyway, so you'd be much more sensible using a 3.0litre engine for the replacement. Even with the supercharger, you'll get a much nicer, happier and more flexible engine achieving your desired power output with more capacity and less boost pressure than the other way around. High boost pressures always mean trouble in the end, so the less you need to use the better, even for fundamental running issues such as waste heat generation. You'll need a bigger intercooler for a highly boosted 2.5 than you'd need for a milder 3.0.

Forgot to mention earlier - when changing from NASP to FI, the camshafts are wrong too. Valve timing requirements are very different when you're sucking air in compared to when it's blown in under pressure. It'll still work but a lot of power will be tied up in the wrong camshafts. You could make it up by just winding up the supercharger higher - but that's not a clever way to fix a basic problem.
 
There is still one full S kit available as far as I know and the kit itself is good just the body shop you use to fit it needs too be 110% experienced with body kit fitting and I don't just mean a skirt kit.

JJ
 
There is still one full S kit available as far as I know and the kit itself is good just the body shop you use to fit it needs too be 110% experienced with body kit fitting and I don't just mean a skirt kit.

JJ

any idea where this kit is and whether it is up for sale??
 
What heads do the ST220s use? The block is definately common between the Jag and the Mondeo, but the Jag heads are machined from Mazda designed castings rather than the original Duratec 30 ones. Now the Duratec 30 was available in the Mk3 Mondeo in asthmatic form, producing just over 200bhp, or in Duratec ST form, producing 218bhp. Now I also know the Duratec ST lacked VVT of which Jag used 2 types (2 position in early longitudinal cars, X350 XJ and X200/202 S-Types; continuously variable in transverse and later longitudinal cars (X-Type, XF)).
The ST220 might well be the Mazda/Jaguar heads minus the VVT and with the hydraulic valve lifters, which I think Mazda also retained - Jaguar went for solid lifters, or Direct Acting Mechanical Buckets (DAMBs) as they termed them.

Either way, if you're adament you want a V6 based car, then the Americans were and always have been correct in saying "there's no replacement for displacement". The engine will need to come out and be gutted anyway, so you'd be much more sensible using a 3.0litre engine for the replacement. Even with the supercharger, you'll get a much nicer, happier and more flexible engine achieving your desired power output with more capacity and less boost pressure than the other way around. High boost pressures always mean trouble in the end, so the less you need to use the better, even for fundamental running issues such as waste heat generation. You'll need a bigger intercooler for a highly boosted 2.5 than you'd need for a milder 3.0.

Forgot to mention earlier - when changing from NASP to FI, the camshafts are wrong too. Valve timing requirements are very different when you're sucking air in compared to when it's blown in under pressure. It'll still work but a lot of power will be tied up in the wrong camshafts. You could make it up by just winding up the supercharger higher - but that's not a clever way to fix a basic problem.

Blimey - you are very knowledgeable.

I suppose the cheaper option is to source a cheap knackered ST220 engine and have it stripped and rebuilt with the necessary internals.

So much food for thought LOL
 
any idea where this kit is and whether it is up for sale??

Full S kit is available at a cost of £700 plus shipping to a uk address. Includes front and rear bumpers side skirts and arches I believe.

If your genuinely interested I will get a comprehensive list of parts.

If not I will be putting it for sale in classifieds.

JJ
 
Full S kit is available at a cost of £700 plus shipping to a uk address. Includes front and rear bumpers side skirts and arches I believe.

If your genuinely interested I will get a comprehensive list of parts.

If not I will be putting it for sale in classifieds.

JJ

Thanks for that JJ

I am soooo tempted but won't really have the money until April.

Is this last kit that is known - there isn't somewhere in Germany able to knock them out on request????
 
I don't know about one in Germany but this is last currently made by the first company who did the kit, I have seen his work first hand as I did a GB on S spoilers last year and it's well produced stuff. I can also still get the S spoilers possibly.

I am sure he would take a non refundable deposit to secure the kit for you as it is already made and being stored.

JJ
 
This a picture of the concept car it's based on i believe, tried to find a picture of Christians (CJNET'S) car but cannot find one.

new-and-improved.jpg
 
It's a left hooker so it's a PS. IIRC, CJS was a bit of a photoshop wizard and was good at creating false images.

That picture is a bastardised version of the one and only actual Cougar S.
 
I have loads of pictures of both Christian's car and the original S-concept.

Reading up on the Noble, turns out when they sold the rights to make the M12 to an american company, they improved on the design by fitting the 3.5L engine off the american market and got up to 550hp with a twin turbo set up
 
there is a guy on ebay selling an ST220 engine that had the chain snap, I've asked for a price and he's replied "make me an offer".

Firstly, as the engine needs to be stripped and rebuilt, I have assumed it would be much better to do this with an engine not running and this will save £500+, so seeing as the chain has gone, what kind of damage can I expect and would it be worthwhile.

Secondly, if this is a worthwhile buy I would assume he will want at the very least scrap value.......what would that be / what should I offer??

Thanks

Alex