Shagmonkey's Cougar

That was the one where people were to gravitate towards him and treat him like some sort of saviour, didn't take too kindly to any constructive criticism either. I thought that when he was posting on here that he was a right ponce, then it came to the day of cougarfest 2008 and I met him, my thoughts were confirmed as true, maybe with the word 'deluded' added.
I feel sorry for the bloke for getting humped by the aptly named Twisted Vision (how cruel a coincidence that the name and work were synonymous) but a bit of humbleness might have earned him a few fans, he rolled up in the car looking like an extra from a cheap american porn flick, and stood by his car wanting the droves (well about 30) of owners to come over and fall by his feet or swoon around the car. I had a chat with him and at best he was clumsy socially with no people skills at all, at worst he was an arrogant twat. That said, the work should've been spot on and I commend him for having a go to replicate, as near as possible, the Cougar S.
 
You're on form today Mr.B. Alan will be stacking up the Kenco Intense and the digestives!! :LOL:
 
Apparently he moved to start his career in acting so maybe that mans remark above about him being a porn star are right (i havent seen him yet) he did look similar to the guy who plays green arrow in smallville so maybe they are one in the same?
 
I remember when he popped the bonnet it looked really grubby underneath with the bonnet sound proofing matting all hanging down and after looking at a few other cars he spent the next hour ripping it all out. Thought his sat nav with the display showing a Cougar was cool though.
 
Yeah, he was a bit up his own backside.
And the finish of the car was shocking, the wheel arch, the rippled blending of the rear spoiler and the paint, although it was all one colour, had loads of dust/debris trapped in it.
I remember advising he should get the kit but not let Twisted Vision paint it but he wasn't one for heeding advice.


....so maybe that mans remark above about him being a porn star are right (i havent seen him yet)
FPMSL! :LOL:
 
I remember when he popped the bonnet it looked really grubby underneath with the bonnet sound proofing matting all hanging down and after looking at a few other cars he spent the next hour ripping it all out. Thought his sat nav with the display showing a Cougar was cool though.
And the underside of the bonnet was still silver frost under all the dirt.
 
There are several words I have in my vocabulary that IMO opinion accurately cover descriptions of the "artist" formerly known as CJSnet. It is a very unfortunate circumstance though as divulging said words would indeed see me banned from this site for inciting a personal hatred vendetta.

Suffice to say, I didn't think too highly of the fellow and am quite elated that he is no longer part of this club.

Thx (y)
 
Paul certainly proved that 348bhp from the Cougar could be done using the 2.5 litre engine. It had new pistons and conrods (memory is hazy here but I think the set of pistons cost £900 and the set of conrods the same), a higher capacity oil pump, and the whole engine was blueprinted. I don't know what injectors were used. The supercharger was a belt driven centrifugal type branded as "Procharger". It used a large intercooler as well. The gearbox was an MTX-75 which had been rebuilt and fitted with a Quaiffe limited slip differential. I can't remember what brakes he used, but I seem to remember him saying he wished he'd just spent a bit more and got Wilwoods instead. The car had the BAT 21mm rear anti roll bar fitted. Engine problems were poor running when cold, very heavy fuel consumption under light load and heavy emissions accordingly (the reason it was wound back to 250bhp for MOT and, I think, because Paul wasn't sure if the engine was really going to last that long cranking out 350bhp).

The bodyshop are, I think, what really hacked him off and ultimately made him throw in the towel, although the engine people (Autocraft SVE) were a bunch of crooks themselves who didn't really know what they were doing but knew how to charge money and at least one point held the car to ransom over a dispute over what Paul (and us) considered he'd already paid for and them feeling like being paid twice for it.

Although it can be done, I personally am a bit conservative when it comes to cars, although I do believe I know enough to speak with some level of knowledge. I don't think the Duratec V6 is a particularly good starting point for a highly tuned forced induction power plant, or at least, not for an individual with very finite resources. There are lots of attributes to engines which make them better at doing different things in different ways. All the vacuum and crankcase pressure relieve/breather apparatus for example, as well as the compression ratio do not lend themselves to being happily married to forced induction. Now I know Noble made the Duratec V6 into a successful turbocharged production engine, but it's not quite as simple as just strapping a pair of turbos on to it. Yes, it can be done, but quite a lot of thought needs to go into how the whole package is going to work. The suck-squeeze-bang-blow bit is the easy part. Just where will you get the vacuum for the brake servo from? Most turbodiesels have vacuum pumps to do this. How are you going to lower the compression ratio from 10.8:1 (efficient for natural aspiration) to nearer 9:1 for forced induction. Lower compression ratios are always undesirable but you've got no choice with forced induction - it'll knock otherwise. You can make up thick copper gaskets to raise the heads up off the cylinder blocks, but these have nasty galvanic corrosion issues when clamped between aluminium engine castings. "No problems" is what the garage taking your money will say - they'll rely on never seeing you again. Give it a year and remove the heads for a look though and you'll find corrosion pitting that any decent engine builder will recommend the heads and/or block are scrapped because of. Assuming you do that, you've then got a compression ratio that's suitable but the squish volume (actual volume of combustion chamber with piston at TDC) which isn't great any more, so you need new, different pistons. Alternative parts aren't exactly easy to come by for the Duratec V6. Not a problem for Noble - they can just machine a few hundred at a time for their own use. Not so good for an individual wanting to build ein engine.

In all honesty - and I don't say this lightly - if you want a turbocharged Cougar then I think the 2.0litre Zetec is a better place to start. It has all the same problems as the V6 but the difference is that there are many more people who have already done it and established dozens of ways of how not to do it. There are many more parts available for it, and it's generally just a cheaper, easier engine to work on. There are only half as many cylinder heads for a start!

If you really want to break new ground then that's one thing. It's not for me though. I'll happily do that professionally with other peoples' money but if you just want to make the car go faster in a fashion which you know is going to work, get a Zetec and blow that instead. I'll even flog you a cheap Rover 620ti to strip for the manifolds you'll need, and could use the Garrett T25 turbo as a cheaper starting point to get the rest of it working before you invest big money in a T3 or similar ;) :LOL:

dont know much about the history of the members and there cars, but from what i read, this is spot on!

ive been there and done that with my modding! had a 350bhp MR2 GT Turbo that was custom built... i just prefer subtle things to cars nowadays

i know the V6 engine is a little dated and underpowered now compared to things like the VAG engines knocking about with the same output but from a 2.0 4 cylinder... how about the jag engines though? whats the differents in mounts compared to them and the mondeo/cougar running gear? we all know the jag is built off the mondeo chassis and running gear to match (apart from the 4x4 jags), so surely there must be a match to the jag engines somewhere?

also aswell... you saying 15mpg is bad? i think i must have a major problem with mine as i am getting 19-20mpg and i only have an aftermarket exhaust fitted? :/

one other thing... with all this power, was/is it FWD? i would be worried if it was!!!
 
Hi,

In brief, the X-Type only used six hardpoints in common with the Mk3 Mondeo floorpan. The wheelbase was 1.75" shorter and the track was wider, so even the FWD diesels don't have that much in common. The AWD variants, of which all 2.5 and 3.0 engines were used a floor pan with those same 6 hard points, but only 2 pressings were identical between the Mondeo and X-Type, namely the front strut towers. Electrically, the Jaguar is a full CANBUS set up, and uses modules and high speed network cables. Most of the important modules are coded to the car and need Jaguar IDS/WDS system to program - doing things like swapping an instrument binnacle over without having programmed the replacement first will lock out the immobiliser until a dealer can sort it out.

The engines share a "common" block. The crankshaft, conrods and pistons are the same as the equivalent capacity Ford engine. Both 2.5 and 3.0 share the same stroke as per Ford, the difference in capacity being achieved with a larger bore for the 3.0. The actual block castings are similar but not exactly. All the ancillaries are moved around compared to the Ford, and the block castings themselves have additional ribs for strengthening. I understand the mounting hardpoints are in the same locations, but Jaguar mounts are bespoke because the subframes are different.
The bellhousing flanges are the same, and they use Ford clutches with dual mass flywheels.
The cylinder heads are Mazda castings machined differently, with solid lifters and continuously variable valve timing on the inlet camshafts. Ignition is by individual coils mounted over each spark plug rather than coil packs as per the Cougar.
The inlet manifold is much larger and uses a dual chamber arrangement to provide a similar variable inlet tract length idea as the Ford's Inlet Manifold Running Control system, only it has 3 states of tune rather than 2, using mixing valves in the manifold to alter the effective plenum volume rather than secondary butterflies to block off 6 inlet valves as per the Ford. This manifold stands much higher than the Ford item, which trades off space requirement in favour of removing the multitude of 90deg bends in the Ford system.

Lastly, the exhaust manifolds are different, and the Cougar's main catalytic converter is deleted and the "pre cats" are enlarged and become the only catalysts, which are 2 brick affairs with upstream and downstream lambda measurement. Due to the amount of exhaust radiation under the bonnet, the manifolds are extensively heat shielded and the X-Type cooling system is more complicated to include an oil cooler.

To summarise:

It'll bolt up to a Ford gearbox (the manual X-Type uses a modified MTX-75 anyway)
It'll probably bolt into the engine bay, but may need fabricated mounts
The Cougar bonnet won't close by a long shot
You'll need a Jaguar Powertrain Control Module to run the engine, along with Jaguar looms and cooling system
You'll probably find the Jag PCM will only talk to a Jag instrument binnacle
You'll need a Jag accelerator pedal - it's a fly-by-wire throttle (but the good news is that with a Jag steering wheel, clock spring and brake/clutch pedal switches you can have Cruise Control)
You will need a new exhaust as the Y-pipe arrives at a different place to clear the AWD transfer case you won't be using. If you opt to use Ford manifolds and Y-pipe, you'll need to work out how to disable the PCM from looking for the downstream lambda measurement, or you'll have a permanent MIL illuminated and it'll be stuck in Restricted Performance mode
You may need the Jag radiator and cooling system, which may or may not prefer the Jag climate control with it

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That's my old 2.5. The 3.0 is identical externally.
 
one other thing... with all this power, was/is it FWD? i would be worried if it was!!!
in responce to this question yes it was only Front Wheel Drive, hence the Quaife LSD and thicker anti-roll bars to counter any torque steer. I never drove it but am assured it drove well to say it had that amount of power, something the Focus Rs does fine with these days and thats only fwd too
 
The Focus RS really isn't good. It's good for a high powered FWD car but it's still pretty poor compared to RWD and AWD cars of similar power. It's not so much the straight line from a standing start (although it's 0-60 is still poor compared to the heavier, lower powered Audi TTS), but accelerating off roundabouts etc almost needs more care than it does with a RWD car.

Not sure why folk get such a hard on over the Focus RS - I genuinely don't think it's very good. It's a good attempt at making FWD work better, but there's a reason nobody persists with FWD for proper performance cars.

FWD will be fundamentally flawed until the laws of physics are reversed. So long as the CofG is higher than the rubber touching the road, the front wheels will ALWAYS unload whenever power is applied. RWD grips harder the harder you accelerate. FWD grips less the harder you try to accelerate.
 
To summarise:

It'll bolt up to a Ford gearbox (the manual X-Type uses a modified MTX-75 anyway)
It'll probably bolt into the engine bay, but may need fabricated mounts
The Cougar bonnet won't close by a long shot
You'll need a Jaguar Powertrain Control Module to run the engine, along with Jaguar looms and cooling system
You'll probably find the Jag PCM will only talk to a Jag instrument binnacle
You'll need a Jag accelerator pedal - it's a fly-by-wire throttle (but the good news is that with a Jag steering wheel, clock spring and brake/clutch pedal switches you can have Cruise Control)
You will need a new exhaust as the Y-pipe arrives at a different place to clear the AWD transfer case you won't be using. If you opt to use Ford manifolds and Y-pipe, you'll need to work out how to disable the PCM from looking for the downstream lambda measurement, or you'll have a permanent MIL illuminated and it'll be stuck in Restricted Performance mode
You may need the Jag radiator and cooling system, which may or may not prefer the Jag climate control with it

the AWD engine will obviously be mounted differently aswell! the banks will lie back to front on the FWD, and on a RWD/AWD will lie left to right... clearly engine mounts would need to be different.

however, if you are chucking the money at it, is it surely not worth it? guaranteed power, with much less effort which will surely be a one off? problems i had with my MR2's, Celica GT4's and 205 GTI, were "been there, done that"... how many have done this?

If i had the money, i would do it, along with an AWD conversion if possible, to make the Jag AWD engines compatible ;)